| "Actually you can see that, that Vṛndāvana-dhāma, that place is a small spot of land, say about eighty-four-miles area, but any person, and however atheistic he may be, and however nonsense he may be, if he goes to that place, he'll feel Kṛṣṇa's presence. Still. Still, simply by going there, he'll at once change his mind that "Here is God." He'll accept it. Still. If you like, you can go to India and you can see, make an experiment. So, although Vṛndāvana is a..., is a place for the personalist, now all the impersonalists school of India, they're making their āśrama at Vṛndāvana. Because they have failed to achieve the sense of God anywhere, they are coming to Vṛndāvana. It is such a nice place."