|"I say 'These rascal scientists are brainwashing', and they say, 'These rascal Kṛṣṇas, they are brainwashing'. (laughs) This is the position. But so far us, we have got some support and we have got authorities, and these rascals, they have no authority. They simply speculate. So even we are rascals, they are... Among these two rascals, we are better rascal, (laughs) not they are better. That's all."