| "Our attachment is so strong, that even it is duḥkhālayam... Just like some hogs, they are living in filthy place and eating stool. And if you say that 'I will take you somewhere else, a good place,' then they will not go there. This happened. It is stated in the Bhāgavata that once the king of heaven, he was cursed to become hog. And he was living amongst the hog society. And when Lord Brahmā came to call him back, that 'Mr. Such-and-such, for your bad behavior you became hog. Now come back to heaven,' so he refused, 'No, I have got so much responsibility. I cannot go'. You see? This is material... It is called māyā, illusion. Even you are in the most abominable condition of life, we will feel, 'Now we are very happy'. So that is our position. We do not want to leave this place."